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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2009/08/06/the-spaced-repetition-party#comment-19023</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I learned conversational French using the excellent Assimil course, which consists of a daily lesson. For the first 50 days, the lesson is simply listening, with a handful of fill-in-the-blank exercises. For the next ~75 days, you continue to listen to new material. But you also go back to the beginning, and translate English -&gt; French, starting with lesson 1. Figure 20 minutes / day at first, rising to 40 minutes, for about 120 days total.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At the end of this, I was far enough along to have rudimentary conversations with French/English speakers, and to rely on those conversations for further learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mention this because because I think the Assimil courses are actually built around some sort of spaced repetition. Doing them daily, I would often come back to some previously-covered topic right about the time it was getting a little fuzzy. I don&#039;t know if this is true, but in any case, I&#039;m now able to carry on conversations with native French speakers for 20 minutes to an hour after less than 2 years of regular (but not hugely intensive) study.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned conversational French using the excellent Assimil course, which consists of a daily lesson. For the first 50 days, the lesson is simply listening, with a handful of fill-in-the-blank exercises. For the next ~75 days, you continue to listen to new material. But you also go back to the beginning, and translate English -&gt; French, starting with lesson 1. Figure 20 minutes / day at first, rising to 40 minutes, for about 120 days total.</p>

<p>At the end of this, I was far enough along to have rudimentary conversations with French/English speakers, and to rely on those conversations for further learning.</p>

<p>I mention this because because I think the Assimil courses are actually built around some sort of spaced repetition. Doing them daily, I would often come back to some previously-covered topic right about the time it was getting a little fuzzy. I don&#8217;t know if this is true, but in any case, I&#8217;m now able to carry on conversations with native French speakers for 20 minutes to an hour after less than 2 years of regular (but not hugely intensive) study.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2009/08/06/the-spaced-repetition-party#comment-19022</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, I agree that you don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;need&lt;/em&gt; spaced repetition to learn things. People have been learning for centuries without it. But it does make things easier, so people really should try it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Doesn&#039;t have to be a big thing. For example, simply choosing Anki over another flashcard system that doesn&#039;t use spaced-repetition is already a great start.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Similarly, when I&#039;m learning 20 hanzi a day, I will start revising yesterday&#039;s words. Then in a week I will revise the entire week&#039;s. Then after a month ... Each period gets longer, and I seem to get reminded just as I&#039;m forgetting :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I agree that you don&#8217;t <em>need</em> spaced repetition to learn things. People have been learning for centuries without it. But it does make things easier, so people really should try it.</p>

<p>Doesn&#8217;t have to be a big thing. For example, simply choosing Anki over another flashcard system that doesn&#8217;t use spaced-repetition is already a great start.</p>

<p>Similarly, when I&#8217;m learning 20 hanzi a day, I will start revising yesterday&#8217;s words. Then in a week I will revise the entire week&#8217;s. Then after a month &#8230; Each period gets longer, and I seem to get reminded just as I&#8217;m forgetting <img src='http://www.sinosplice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2009/08/06/the-spaced-repetition-party#comment-19021</link>
		<dc:creator>David Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry,  I don&#039;t know how many times I have spelled language incorrectly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The correct URL is &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://language101.com/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My apologies.  But the incorrect one will work too because we have that URL being re-directed to the right one.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,  I don&#8217;t know how many times I have spelled language incorrectly.</p>

<p>The correct URL is </p>

<p><a href="http://language101.com/" rel="nofollow">http://language101.com/</a></p>

<p>My apologies.  But the incorrect one will work too because we have that URL being re-directed to the right one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2009/08/06/the-spaced-repetition-party#comment-19020</link>
		<dc:creator>David Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you like spaced repetition for language learning, come visit us at http://langauge101.com and check out our online foreign language learning software.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have focused on making it super easy to use.  If anyone says they saw it on this bog, just tell us and we will set you up with a user name and password free.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We need the feedback of people who have used other spaced repetition programs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like spaced repetition for language learning, come visit us at <a href="http://langauge101.com" rel="nofollow">http://langauge101.com</a> and check out our online foreign language learning software.</p>

<p>We have focused on making it super easy to use.  If anyone says they saw it on this bog, just tell us and we will set you up with a user name and password free.</p>

<p>We need the feedback of people who have used other spaced repetition programs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;None taken.  I&#039;ll just have to remind you what my job is and then click away snippily!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seriously, though, I wasted so much time learning, forgetting and relearning Chinese at the beginning that it was almost enough to bring me to tears when I saw all my old notebooks from years ago filled with page after page of Chinese I&#039;d been studying.  Many of the exact same things noted in multiple notebooks that I&#039;d used years apart.  What spaced repetition has saved me from is reviewing a concept way too much for the first few weeks, forgetting to keep reviewing it a few months later and then starting over from scratch when I encounter the phrase a year later.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My absolutely favorite way to learn vocabulary is by having lots of really, really understanding speakers of the language who will just bear with me until I understand what they&#039;re saying.  That worked great for Japanese when I was in school.  Since I was helping them with English too, it turned out to be really mutually beneficial and a way to make some good friends, too.  I still wish I&#039;d had anki (and RTK) to help learn the &lt;i&gt;written&lt;/i&gt; language, though.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None taken.  I&#8217;ll just have to remind you what my job is and then click away snippily!</p>

<p>Seriously, though, I wasted so much time learning, forgetting and relearning Chinese at the beginning that it was almost enough to bring me to tears when I saw all my old notebooks from years ago filled with page after page of Chinese I&#8217;d been studying.  Many of the exact same things noted in multiple notebooks that I&#8217;d used years apart.  What spaced repetition has saved me from is reviewing a concept way too much for the first few weeks, forgetting to keep reviewing it a few months later and then starting over from scratch when I encounter the phrase a year later.</p>

<p>My absolutely favorite way to learn vocabulary is by having lots of really, really understanding speakers of the language who will just bear with me until I understand what they&#8217;re saying.  That worked great for Japanese when I was in school.  Since I was helping them with English too, it turned out to be really mutually beneficial and a way to make some good friends, too.  I still wish I&#8217;d had anki (and RTK) to help learn the <i>written</i> language, though.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Pasden</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pasden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ryan,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not that I&#039;m against repetition itself.  I just am not crazy about a system with demanding behavioral modification requirements.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m going to write about this more in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>

<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m against repetition itself.  I just am not crazy about a system with demanding behavioral modification requirements.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m going to write about this more in the future.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Pasden</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pasden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And when was the last time you coded something?  Once a coder, always a coder, I say... :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Don&#039;t worry, I don&#039;t mean it as an insult!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>

<p>And when was the last time you coded something?  Once a coder, always a coder, I say&#8230; <img src='http://www.sinosplice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>(Don&#8217;t worry, I don&#8217;t mean it as an insult!)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2009/08/06/the-spaced-repetition-party#comment-19016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve seen another programmer friend, Mark Wilbur, go fanatical about SRS. Meanwhile, linguists and language teachers tend to go, “meh.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Woah there, cap&#039;n!  I was a linguistics major and then Japanese major in school, and I&#039;ve been exclusively employed as a language teacher or language school partner for the past 6 years!  The last time I had a programming job was 9 years ago.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>I’ve seen another programmer friend, Mark Wilbur, go fanatical about SRS. Meanwhile, linguists and language teachers tend to go, “meh.”</blockquote>

<p>Woah there, cap&#8217;n!  I was a linguistics major and then Japanese major in school, and I&#8217;ve been exclusively employed as a language teacher or language school partner for the past 6 years!  The last time I had a programming job was 9 years ago.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, I didn&#039;t quite catch why you&#039;re not a fan of spaced repetition? &quot;Plugging into the machine&quot; aside, wouldn&#039;t it be equivalent to having a big stack of handmade flash cards, only a more efficient way of choosing which cards to study at a given time?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I recently organized all my chinese cards from ChinesePod and elsewhere into a single deck with an SRS-based routine for choosing which cards to study. I&#039;ve found that it helps ensure that old words don&#039;t buried while still allowing me to add cards at a rapid pace.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I didn&#8217;t quite catch why you&#8217;re not a fan of spaced repetition? &#8220;Plugging into the machine&#8221; aside, wouldn&#8217;t it be equivalent to having a big stack of handmade flash cards, only a more efficient way of choosing which cards to study at a given time?</p>

<p>I recently organized all my chinese cards from ChinesePod and elsewhere into a single deck with an SRS-based routine for choosing which cards to study. I&#8217;ve found that it helps ensure that old words don&#8217;t buried while still allowing me to add cards at a rapid pace.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Repetitio est mater studiorum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repetitio est mater studiorum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] week, John Pasden wrote an introduction to spaced repetition (you can read mine here). He and I don&#8217;t quite see eye to eye on the issue, so I thought [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week, John Pasden wrote an introduction to spaced repetition (you can read mine here). He and I don&#8217;t quite see eye to eye on the issue, so I thought [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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